News

Sorry for the sarcastic title, but someone equated these dropouts to death which is retardedly funny to me. Okay, there has been a lot of interest, debate and speculation on the internet about the Sunday frame’s hollow dropouts. Why would somebody make a thicker dropout when everyone is going to thinner ones? This is simple because when you thin the dropout from a 1/4 inch to 3/16 inch, you end up reducing the strength by about 40%. That is a great reduction in strength for a simple 1/16 of an inch in weight savings. So what happens when you add a 1/16 of an inch to a 1/4 inch dropout, but make them hollow? You get a dropout that is twice the strength and the same weight as a normal dropout.

Outside and inside views. Please not the tapered “Sunday” stamped caps on the outside and the tapered seat and chain stays on the inside create a smooth transition to the dropout. Just super clean with smooth lines.

Peg side clearance and non-peg/axle clearance. Small and out of the way is what these dropouts are trying to achieve. I am pretty sure that this has been achieved.

So, now you are wondering how in the world is a hollow dropout constructed? I can’t fully divulge the process, but let me just stress that the dropout is made from forged parts to make a hollow structure that saves weight and is stronger than a basic “plate”. Nearly all non-hollow dropouts are simply cut from plates, there isn’t any forging or machining done just simple cutting out like a Christmas cookie. Naysayers out there should consider that lots of engineering structures use fabricated hollow parts. Some examples are airplane wings, car chassis members and suspension arms, motorcycle frames, super expensive mountain bike swing arms etc. These examples can be very strong for their weight provided the detail is engineered right… and these ARE engineered right.

To show the dropout width to scale.

Specs
Width 8mm roughly equal to 5/16 inch.
Material-Forged 41Thermal 4130 chromoly.
Size-Small enough for a 1.5 inch diameter peg to fit cleanly without any dropout hangover, so no cutting is needed to fit your dropout to the peg.(See above)
Internally-Walls surround all the outside edges with support across the dropout to prevent crushing.
Axle Slot-14mm

Next Feature Highlighted: Brake mounts
Just so you know the bike below weighed in at 25lbs using a home scale with a .5lb error range and that was with 3 pegs.

Frame – Sunday Production Sample 20.5″ Green
Forks – Sunday Morning Black
Headset – Kink
Stem – Odyssey Elementary
Bars – Sunday Color
Grips – ODI Longnecks
Levers -Odyssey Mono Lever Trigger
Bar Ends – Plastic from ODI Longnecks
Cranks – Odyssey Wombolts
Sprocket – Odyssey 25tooth
Pedals – Odyssey Me in Sea Foam Green-Aluminum loose ball
Chain – KMC 510
Front Wheel – Gsport Marmoset hub with Gsport rim
Front Tire – Odyssey 2.10 Path
Back Wheel – Odyssey Cassette hub, Odyssey 7Ka rim with double butted spokes
Back Tire – Odyssey 1.85 Path
Brakes – Almost didn’t have them, but Odyssey Evolvers
Brake Cable- White Odyssey Linear
Pegs – 3 pegs, all Odyssey JPeg Liters with 2 in front and one in rear
Seat – White Odyssey Mike Aitken
Seat Post – Odyssey Intact
Seat Clamp – Odyssey Mr.Clampy
Modifications – Right grip shortened so lever doesn’t go around bend, cut bars about 1/4 inch, seat post cut down, rear pegless side axle cut down for clearance during pedal grinds.

Well, it has been really busy up here with the arrival of the frame production sample on Friday. After checking it over, it was off to Blackout to get some pictures taken for catalogs and what not. As soon as I got back to Buffalo, I immediately put it together with no problems. The Mid bottom bracket actually pressed right in with only the aid of a piece of wood and everthing else went together without any troubles. The frames are on the way and should arrive sometime around the third week in May, sorry but this stuff takes time.

Here is a photo moments after the frame arrived, note the colorful frame box that you will see with every frame.

This is one of the colors the frame will come in with the others being gray and red. Note the freshly painted wall behind me…no check the graphics and lack of gyro tabs on this sample. Come back tomorrow to see if I am brakeless or have a straight cable when I post my bike check.

Yes, it sure does say 41Thermal right on the brake bridge. So what this means is the whole frame is 41Thermal not just the brake bridge. Now you are going to wonder about the warranty. The frame is going to have a LIMITED LIFETIME WARRANTY against manufacturers defects judged on a case by case basis. So if you have an old frame and throw it against a tree to get a new one, I can’t help you.

Some more late news, all the colors in have arrived over at Blackout Distribution which is Sunday’s distributor in the US. Everything arrived on Thursday, so it should be available soon at your local bike shop or at any of the mail order places including EmpireBMX, StaffBMX, Dan’s Comp and Albes.

Morning forks in Red, Green and of course Black.

Night forks in Red, Green and Black.

Color bars in green and black.

Triumphs in red, green and black.

The new Tudor Bar in green and black.

Update: Dimensions

Height 7.625″ Center to Center
Width 24.5″
Crossbar Height 5.0″ Center to Center
Sweep 12 degrees
Upsweep 4 degrees
Weight 1 pound 9.0 ounces or if you want to play the smoke and mirrors game 1.5625 pounds!

Okay so here are the bars with the proper sticker, the last one was a test with the white background. Here is what will be available in probably less than two weeks.

As promised, here is a photo of the new Sunday Night Forks with 990 mounts which are only coming in black that are now available through Blackout Distribution. There new site is suppose to be up, but all I see is the old site here– BLACKOUT. A lot of requests for forks with 990 mounts have been taken, so now Sunday is fulfilling the need.

Some other Sunday news is that the forks and all 3 bars are now coming in colors which are the same colors as the frame except the gray. Bars will be black, green and red with some limited edition chrome Triumph bars coming in the near future. Okay so that all might be a little confusing, so let me clarify. Frame colors are gray, red and green while bar and fork colors are black, red and green.

Hey here are some photos of the Triumph and Tudor bars in colors. These are the only photos I have at the moment, but Color bars, Morning forks and Night forks are all coming in these colors which are incidently the same colors as the frame. These should be available in about 2 weeks, so be on the look out.

Sunday going south update, well we all survived the trip, I think I got some wind burn because it was still cold in Georgia. It was our first team trip and it was good to see everyone get along with each other. For me it was weird because you pick a bunch of guys for a team and you hope they get along, well I can say they did. It was also interesting seeing the different ways each guy views what we come across. From Ian’s roll back lines, Karl’s tech, Vinnie’s new age rail moves to Hoder and Eli killing everything, I can honestly say that I am really psyched for the video to come out. Hopefully see it by the fall!

Right now Vinnie Sammon is putting his bike together in the back of the shop then we are getting my generator and we are off to Ohio. We are meeting everyone at Ian and Eli’s house in Columbus and then we are off to the south. Looking for Crunk Juice and the Yin Yang Twins, but we will probably just ride a bunch of spots that are real famous in the skate world. The weather looks sunny, but we might be looking for real warm weather so that means Florida. Who knows, but I know we are going to Georgia so look out?

Hey, sorry for the lack of updates, but we have been busy. Right now, we are getting ready to drive up to Toronto for Metro Jam. Karl Poynter flew in last night, well barely flew in. His flight was 5 hours late due the storm In New York, he sat in the plane on the runway for 6 hours! That sucks, but I am glad he made alright. Ian Schwartz is driving up in a little bit from Columbus and will meet us in Toronto. See you in Toronto!

Joe rides for Sunday in the UK and recently put out a pretty wild UK street video called Voices. You should be able to get it at EMPIRE that is if they have any left.

Frame – Sunday prototype 20″ top tube
Forks – Sunday Morning
Headset – Stock internal
Stem – Odyssey Elementary
Bars – Sunday Color
Grips – ODI Longnecks
Levers -none
Bar Ends – Snafu
Cranks – Odyssey
Sprocket – Odyssey 30t
Pedals – Odyssey J. Cs
Chain – Stock
Front Wheel – Gsport hub, Gsport rim
Front Tire – Snafu
Back Wheel – Odyssey Cassette hub, Gsport rim
Back Tire – Snafu
Brakes – none
Pegs – Back Snafu, Front Odyssey Jpeg
Seat – Primo Hemerroid
Seat Post – Odyssey
Seat Clamp – Stock
Other – “What would danny do?” wrote on my frame
Modifications – Flanges cut off grips, 1cm off each side of my bars, going to cut off the lugs and cable router, seat post cut down

It has been awhile since I have last updated the news, basically it has been really busy up here. We have had the warmest January in 56 years! So everyone has been outside a lot lately enjoying the snow free winter. Okay let’s start the news and we will start with me.

Jim-Well there hasn’t been an update in a little while because I was down in Florida at the Tampa Am(skateboarding) watching one of my shop skaters in the contest. Also, while we were down there we went to Orlando to go check out Mesh Skatepark for the first time and go to Outspoken Bike Shop. Both were awesome to say the least! Some bad luck kept him from entering Tampa Am and some more bad luck caused me to leave my computer, camera and shuffle on the airport shuttle bus. Then after putting my bike together, I neglected to tighten my front wheel enough, so this happens. Either way from bad comes good and the black eye hasn’t kept me off my bike.

Vinnie-He went out to California with Edwin to film for the new Skavenger video, no deadline for this one, but hopefully this year. He got one of the new prototypes and here is what it looks like. I am fond of the purple, looking good to me!

Mike Hoder-He is in NYC for a month babysitting the couch at Vinnie’s house awaiting the start of the Shook trip to Miami. Hopefully it will all work out! Mike has been a traveling man before this trip he was in Cali threeing one of Jeremy Wray’s spots. If you know skateboarding then you might be able to guess what I am talking about, but all I have to say is one try. Speaking of 360s, did anyone see the new Dig with Rob Dolecki’s sequence of Mike’s Brooklyn Banks gap?

Ian-Recently got back from California, he called me when it was cold here and said he was hanging out on the beach. I was thinking thanks a lot, but atleast he got some sun. You can see Ian on the cover of the newest Dan’s catalog doing something. I don’t know what because I don’t really get them too much.

Eli-Hanging out in Columbus going to school, I misspoke in a previous update saying that he graduate when in actuallity he just finish up all the major courses and just has to get the electives out of the way.

Karl-Also, hanging out at home wating for the good weather to return. He will be heading up to Buffalo to hang out on his way up to Metro.

Oh, check out Woozy!

That is all the team news for now! Some product news is that in a month or so, new colors of forks and bars should be available including the new Tudor Bar. Also, this will include 990 mounted forks! The frames are looking as if they will be arriving somewhere around the end of April. I am just finishing up some of the final touches on the packing today.

Some sad news out of California, the famous little LA High rail has been removed to curtail skateboarding. But in some good news even more flat rails have been built near my house.
thanks,
jim